Tonight I decided to try to get some answers (again) out of Pagan Pride as to their stances. I asked a question at 4:55 p.m. ass to their stance on the LGBT community and Declaration 127. I finally got an answer at 10:22 p.m. and was told the moderator was a lesbian, so they supported the LGBT community. I then asked if they supported POC and were anti Nazis/Aryan supremacists. I was told they support peace. Finally after thirty minutes of phrasing and rephrasing my question I got an answer: no. We don’t support racism. But, I was told that Nazis are ok so long as they are not true Nazis. I was also told by the leader of my branch that they don’t do “politics.”
I will be posting the screen shots tomorrow morning. I just wanted to get this out there tonight. Pagan Pride is a Nazi Apologist group, and is not a safe place for POC.
“Not true Nazis” “Aryans the magical people ”… It took me over 30 minutes to get an answer. I also went to their website to try to contact this Bryan person. I recieved no answer. Stay safe out there.
I have reached out to the larger organization and they have never gotten back to me. This is not the first time. Therefore, if the organization, and its leaders, cannot say that Pagan Pride is a safe place for POC and do not condemn the actions of their leaders then they exactly as I claim. Also, on their website they make it very, very clear they cannot exclude people based on “politics.” They also use the slur w*cko. Also, one of their leaders sent an undercover detective a photo of a nude child and was arrested. Pagan Pride said that they would “watch the case progress,” but also clearly stated that they “… do not presume or mean to imply that we believe Mr. Holbrook is guilty …” If you are still supporting Pagan Pride, or saying that I’m just trying to start shit you’re wrong.
And this lovely snippet from their blog.
Spreading awareness of this, and just to add to OP’s commentary.
Firstly, to claim that you are “unpolitical” is a false statement; everything is political – if you hold an opinion about something that could potentially be argued with, then you are political.
Claiming an apolitical stance is essentially an admission of privilege, be it that none of your personal stances are at risk of being debated on a meaningful scale or that you hold no personal stake in the popular issues being discussed and so can safely ignore them.
I have no personal experience with Pagan Pride but for a (leader of a) public religious group that claims to support LGBT+ folks to claim not to be political when being asked about their stance on nazis is honestly just perplexing more than anything. Apart from any other possibly malicious interpretation of this, what cannot be denied is the astounding level of ignorance being shown in response to common terminology such as “aryan”. How any pagan group could be operating with such a deficit of information about hate and discrimination within our wider community is frankly astounding to me.
I’ve seen some people responding to this post claiming that this is specific to the Colorado Springs branch and not representative of other branches elsewhere but I rebut with this: Even if that is ostensibly the case, the fact that Pagan Pride leadership has allowed for the Colorado Springs branch to operate in this manner of either apathy or ignorance (or both!) is a resounding indictment of the organisation as a whole and how it’s run. To me this seriously delegitimises, or at least puts into hard question, any claims of other branches as safe spaces for PoC. In any case, be cautious and discerning.