So, like, Loki is chained and Fenrir is chained. When people worship them and feel their presence are they accepting that or are they modifying the lore to kinda suit their own lives?
jeez you’re all getting pretty philosophical atm, huh? it’s great, I love these kinds of discussions! 😀
Alright, so… both? and also neither? Just the same as the last ask, it depends on who you’re asking. Some people believe that they’re physically chained but that, that doesn’t have any effect on their ability to interact with us spiritually others believe that they’re able to walk free and that the myths are either more symbolic or just plain wrong and see I think a problem a lot of people seem to have is that they want there to be one pure, inarguable truth and for any conceptions existing outside of it to be objectively incorrect but… that’s just not possible.
Literally the only way that could be a legitimately existing phenomenon is if someone could communicate with every single god, have them all tell the same story as they perceive it,
know for certain that each and every one of them is being truthful,
corroborate the evidence of everything they’re told, sort it all into an itemised and linear narrative, and then prove it without doubt to the rest of us.
Outside of that exact circumstance I maintain that we have no other choice but to accept that all contradicting narratives that are honestly held beliefs and relayed in good faith are equally true because none of us can reasonably prove otherwise, and all that leaves us with if there is a singular narrative being pushed and demanded as the objective truth is hegemonic dogma and I’m not okay with that.
Has anyone played Dragon Age: Inquisition? those of you who have, and who have spoken to Solas in the game might remember when he’s explaining about his fade-walking and you can ask him which of the two narratives he experienced about the Battle of Ostagar was the truth and he answers that they both were. That is pretty much how I think of the myths and peoples’ modifying of them; the truth about the gods and the myths is subjective and it depends on who you are and how you experience the world and spirituality that determines what your truth is.
It’s also incredibly important to remember that all the myths were written by people, just like you or me, there was nothing special about them, really – they conceptualised the truth in their way and recorded it but ours isn’t a dead religion, our gods aren’t stuck in the past, and there is no good reason that we can’t conceptualise our own truth about things in the here and now. I mean there’s nothing stopping you from writing your own myths! So do it! Add to our spiritual culture with your own experiences and perceptions! Not everyone will agree but that’s not the point. The gods can’t be simplified and filed down into one universal truth, they are by their very nature contradictory, multifaceted and impossible to pin down and that is something that should be celebrated, respected, and represented 🙂
Now I’m just gonna throw out a few musings and ideas I have as possible forms of some subjective truth (note, I’m not saying that I necessarily believe any of these just that they’re all possibly true and none of them are more or less valid beliefs to hold):
- Each time an innocent person is ostracised, vilified, or unjustly punished because of another’s fear, hatred, or other bias The Fenrisulfr becomes symbolically chained. However each time such an oppressed person revolts and engages with revolutionary theory and fights back against their oppressor The Fenrisulfr symbolically snaps his chains and runs free.
- Loki was bound but Sigyn devised a way to free him.
- Loki and/or The Fenrisulfr were never bound. It just didn’t happen.
- Loki was bound through magic to never cause another’s death and the wording in that myth was meant to be symbolic.
- The Fenrisulfr escaped his chains long ago – perhaps Tyr returned to remove them – but Ragnarok isn’t an actual thing and now Odin’s got a bit of egg on his face and perhaps a certain volva got a stern talking to but not much else has come of it.
- The Fenrisulfr was chained like those dog-chains with a peg in the ground so he has some level of movement but perhaps just can’t reach Asgard
- Whenever someone plays a prank Loki is symbolically free, but if/when they receive retribution for the prank Loki becomes symbolically bound.
- Pretty much literally whatever else might make sense to you.
tl;dr – There is not and cannot be one, singular, universal, all-encompassing truth applied to the gods and spirituality